Александр Казьмин: Хонон - это тот же я Авторский театральный журнал IZKULIS.RU

На новой сцене МДМ 31 мая и 1 июня в театре «Маска» гремит премьера мюзикла «Между двух миров» по знаменитой пьесе Семена Ан-ского «Диббук».

Это необыкновенная история страстной и трагической любви, в которой переплетены еврейский фольклор и мистика. В преддверии свадьбы в юную Лию вселяется Диббук – дух ее возлюбленного Хонона, умершего от вести, что его невеста обещана другому.

Корреспондент журнала «Izkulis.ru» пообщалась с исполнителем роли Хонона Александром Казьминым и узнала о том, какого это — сыграть злого духа.

Александр Казьмин. Фото: Анастасия Карно

Александр, Вы не первый раз играете в мюзикле, но вот роль духа — впервые. Расскажите об этом опыте, пожалуйста. 

Если честно, был у меня опыт, практически состоявшийся, в мюзикле «Привидение», где я был кавером Сэма Уита. Так получилось, что на зрителя я ни разу не вышел на сцену, но у меня был полноценный прогон с оркестром, светом, без остановок. Он был в середине сезона, и наверное, из-за того, что в прошлый раз мой персонаж так и не родился, (нет, он ничего не имеет общего с нынешним, так сказать, духом), но, наверное, это как некий гештальт закрыть. Поэтому в этот раз мой герой Хонон, добьется, надеюсь, своей цели.

А герой Хонон. Сколько общего у него с Вами лично?

А тут так получилось, что как такового литературного источника нет, кроме пьесы. Не нашей пьесы, а написанной изначально. Чего-то визуализированного, того, что мы можем сейчас подсмотреть отсюда, нет. То есть, по идее, подсмотреть было негде, но все, чем мы пользовались при постановке, это исключительно текст. Это то, что говорят разные персонажи. Очень интересная на самом деле работа. Там свой интерес, здесь свой, и тут вот именно рождается персонаж, и обычно, на кастинге чаще всего, точнее всегда, постановочная команда ищет людей, по-хорошему, которым не надо ничего играть. То есть это в идеале, именно в мюзикле, говоря простым языком, чтобы просто артист выходил на сцену, и он уже был тем героем, которого он играет. Есть еще много факторов остальных, это танец, вокал, актерское мастерство, но фактура, психофизика, человека, она важна и, когда, например, я пришел на кастинг, Нина Чусова сказала: «Саша, я видела все ваши работы, я видела Вас и Раскольникова, и Трампера, вот все, что Вы играли, потому что я смотрю много спектаклей, я все видела. В принципе, я вижу в Вас то ,что нужно мне, и все, что мне нужно, я в вас раскопаю и достану».

То есть, возвращаясь к вопросу о том, много ли у меня общего с моим героем… Ну, это все тот же я по идее, просто какие-то эмоциональные вещи, которые не свойственны мне в обычной жизни, но они все равно есть во мне, как и в принципе в любом герое, которого я играю, оно здесь все, как на ладони. Можно много говорить: вот, мы воплощаемся в других героев, отходим от самих себя… Нет, мы отходим, ну, по-хорошему приходится, от себя не убежишь. И это не значит, что нужно везде играть себя, как я в предлагаемых обстоятельствах, но все приемы, которыми мы пользуемся, все равно это наша психофизика, наш организм, органика. К примеру, герою можно руку поднять быстро, условно говоря, можно ее поднять медленно, но все равно это я буду тоже делать .Поэтому это была интересная работа. И она родится в моем случае, завтра, а сегодня на сцене Ярослав Баярунас. Сегодня такой, закрытый показ для своих, для прессы.

Кадр из спектакля «Меж двух миров» . Автор фото: Анастасия Карно

Вы говорили, что не изучали до этого никогда еврейскую мифологию.

Никогда.

А как сейчас это на Вас отражается? Может, как-то повлияло, потому что все-таки наши традиции, если уходить в корни, они оттуда. 

Да, но я их никогда, видимо, к моему стыду, не чтил, не соблюдал и не интересовался. Но теперь я знаю, что такое талмуд, ворох, каббала, это как минимум.

Пользовались этими знаниями в жизни? При подготовке?

Выдержки читали, конечно же, изучили, что такое малое буквенное счисление. Там целые тома написаны, как оказалось, многие, мы об этом с Ефимом Шифриным разговаривали. Я тоже просто многим не интересовался никогда, но некоторые, например, зарубежные звезды, сейчас увлекаются этим буквенным счислением. Это как астрология.

Когда по звездам предсказывают, вот завтра у Тельца, например, будет плохой день. Почему? Ну, потому что так звезды сказали, вот здесь тоже самое. В этой мифологии, очень много символов. И люди пытаются их как-то толковать. Я не проверял, честно говоря, слова Ефима Залмановича, но он говорит ,что и Киану Ривз, и Анджелина Джоли, они все этим увлекаются. Вот это толкование на знаках, на цифрах. И в нашем спектакле будет показано ,когда 36 по малому буквенному исчислению означает слово истина, то есть какие-то такие вещи, как и толкование слова, и стараются как-то подложить под конкретную ситуацию, но это очень, мне кажется, похоже на гороскоп, если так. Отдаленно. Отдаленно посмотреть, да. Поэтому я, вот честно, до этого момента, до этой постановки и не знал, что это существует, а теперь я знаю, и что этим люди пользуются. Потом в это занырнул, поинтересовался. 

На фото автор либретто Владислав Страчевский и исполнитель роли Хонона Александр Казьмин. Фото: Анастасия Карно

Вы будете пользоваться новыми знаниями в жизни?

Ну, посмотрим, интересно.  

Еще такой вопрос. Жанр триллер, мюзикл, не напоминает ли конфликт поколений? Может быть, какие-то гоголевские мотивы? 

Вы знаете, когда у нас я увидел в труппе Диму Савиных, который играет в мюзикле «Вий», тогда, ну, все, спектакль точно состоится. Нет, я совру, если скажу, что не напоминает. Потому что Вий тоже в какой-то степени, триллер. Почему нет? Это никакая не копирка, ничего не подсмотрено, но это такой жанр.  Интересно.

Александр, напоследок, что Вы пожелаете нашему театральному изданию и нашим читателям? 

Любите друг друга, не злитесь на других. Будьте снисходительны. 

Автор текста: Екатерина Свергун

Интервью провела: Мария Кузьмина

Фото: Анастасия Карно

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